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D/s Primer & uncollared chat........3/ 09
/98
truegent discovers D/s
sincere questions from a male hetro
submissive
TrueLove a poem by nytechild
Two Souls a poem by nytechild
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Log file opened at: 3/9/98 11:34:15 AM
*** Topic for #D/s_subStation: The Station, D/s no BS. (Bad^)
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nytechild curtseys low to TrueGent It's a pleasure to see you TrueGent
Sir :)
TrueGent tips his hat
TrueGent: 'lo nytechild
misstee: greetings TrueGent Sir....
TrueGent: good day to you as well misstee
Bad^: Finally another Dom!!!!!
TrueGent: sorry. I am not sure if I am Dom or Sub
TrueGent is just learning about d/s
Bad^: You have come to a wonderful place then
misstee: i seem to recongnize the nick from another channel...TrueGent,
are you curious then?
Bad^: Did you see the Web page for the channel Gent?
TrueGent: I am misstee
TrueGent: I just popped it in Bad
Bad^: on that web page channel is a button for Whipping Post. if you
go there you will find a button for Newcomers.. it will help a lot
Bad^: Meantime how can we help you via chat today?
TrueGent tips his hat
Bad^: What draws you to this kink?
TrueGent: I have read a bit here and there about d/s
TrueGent: it sounds interesting
Bad^: fiction or non-fiction?
TrueGent: I would say bassed on what I have read that I tend to sub
TrueGent: fiction mostly Bad
TrueGent: I to please a lady
TrueGent: do what she wants
Bad^: Well on IRC the submissive or bottom is generally indicated by
a lowercase set of letters in their Nick.
TrueGent: ok
TrueGent: as I say I am new to this
Bad^: Yes and we are a warm bunch of folks who can help you.
TrueGent: but I am not into force or such
Bad^: D/s is about power exchange
Bad^: It can take many forms. Some need no pain. others need no bondage.
Some abhoor humiliation others Demand it. invite it incite it.
TrueGent: so pain and humiliation are not part of d/s, but d/s may
involve them?
Bad^: D/s is the catch all term. Domination and submission. Some tend
to lead others yearn to follow. I divide the main areas of play thusly....
Bad^: Regular service ( errands and pleasing the TOP) sexual service....
pain... humiliation... bondage.
TrueGent: so anything in that range is still d/s?
TrueGent: how does a dom or sub know that the person they are getting
is looking for the same range?
Bad^: Yes. and if each area had a scale of one to ten on it.. the trick
becomes finding someone whos numbers of interest match yer own. See?
( it isn't so cold and calculating however)
TrueGent is confused
Bad^: I am a Dom. I do not do blood play or edge play.( pushing limits
endlessly)
Bad^: So if misstee over there for arguments sake was intersted in
submitting to me for sexual service with an interest in "TRYING"
mild pain.. we would speak about it.. she might agree to submit to me
her body and I would assign her safewords ( a backdoor escape hatch
if it gets to be too much.)
TrueGent: ok
Bad^: A responsible Dom learns his or her sub.
Bad^: Since you take a life heart and soul into your hands you need
to be damn sure about what you are doing as a Top.
Bad^: But you don't have to do everything to every person.
Bad^: Am I rambling here?
TrueGent: so there is no 'secret handshake':) or some such that lets
one knwo what the other is looking for
TrueGent: no not at all
TrueGent: I think I am getting it
TrueGent: kind of
Bad^: No in responsible play ( I prefer the term exploration) you tend
to find out what works or doesn't work. misstee might love to be called
nasty names... but she might only permit that from one who collars her
and owns her not a casual play encounter. See?
TrueGent: ok
TrueGent: that bring up something else
TrueGent: what is 'collaring'?
Bad^: You will find many here who preach of slavery or DOM is king
and mandates all... these are not responsible lifestylers
TrueGent: again I think I get it but maybe not
Bad^: Collaring in r/l is the placing of a collar much like a pet on
a submissive. thsi indicates to all the sub is taken and may not be
addressed directly but through the Dom or Domme (f)
Bad^: Online it seems to resemble more like a highschool pinning regretably.
TrueGent: :)
misstee smiles
TrueGent: in RL d/s is collaring something done at all 'levels' (soft/hard)
of d/s?
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TrueGent: it would seem to go with the humiliation area
Bad^: ONline many attmept to emulate the real world collaring ( roots
in gay culture) BUt even if Federal Express is making a mint shipping
lether tags across country.. it seems often to miss it's mark. It still
shows posession but the seriouslness is often lost here.
Bad^: Perhaps it does.
Bad^: All a matter of perspective. Is a wedding band a symbol of union
or a humiliation?
TrueGent: mmmm
TrueGent: oook
TrueGent: I think I get waht you are saying
Bad^: Just different jewery to some. Very much a subserviant Pet like
control hardware for others.
Bad^: The gay and leather communities in r/l Have strict rules and
behjaviors surrounding the "collar" it is often referred to
as Old Guard protocol. It is serious stuff.
TrueGent: so someone with a collar could still be only into servitude,
but could just as easyly be into pain?
Bad^: Exactly!
TrueGent: it is not as clear cut as one might hope
Bad^: What do YOU seek truegent?
Bad^: THAT is the key.
nytechild: this one will stay uncollared :(
Bad^: I have elected not to collar.
Bad^: And I do not.
Bad^: Why is that true for You nytechild?
TrueGent: I am not sure what I want, that is the thing
TrueGent: that is why I am trying to learn what I can
Bad^: Will you explore the web page Newcomer.. on whipping post?
Bad^: http://members.aol.com/MrBadSir/bad/wppd.home.html
TrueGent: I hope that knowledge will help me clear up my wants
TrueGent: I am reading it as we speak
nytechild: me? Bad
Bad^: No information can guide you but the heart is a lonely hunter.
Bad^: Yes nyte. you.
nytechild: tis that I will not be collared?
Bad^: You seem to say that more as a lament though, nyte.
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nytechild: this one is recovering from a shattered heart... had a Master
but got devistated.....
Bad^: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{nytechild}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I am so sorry.
Bad^: I had a wonderful submissive and friend who just told me she
was taking another's collar. it is hard when people seperate.
miss{afk}: excuse me Sirs...sister
Bad^: I am pleased for her. it is what she desires.. but still there
is sadness.
Bad^: How was your heart torn nyte? You HAD a collar?
nytechild: he discollared me after he saw my recent pic... guess I
was not to his appeal :~~~~~~~~ told me out right that I was fat....
Bad^: Awww baby {{{{{{{{{{{nytechild}}}}}}}}}}}. this man was not into
it for the same reasons as you then. I am so sorry.
TrueGent: that kind of thing ticks me off
Bad^: Send me this picture nyte.
nytechild: thought I did tis mme3 I thought
Bad^: You are wonderful in that pic li^pet and I both admired it!
Bad^: I thought you had a recent one that was fat? I am confused.
nytechild: the pic you saw of me wa in black leather right? SIr
Bad^: Beautiful breasts with nipple chains. SO submissive an expression.
A glorious pic.
nytechild: thats the one he said I was fat in....
Bad^: In the r/l group I attned we have people of all sizes. Many heavy
folks some slender. Some gay some hetro.... If one is caught on apparance
alone... then there is a failing or need in that person.. not in you
darlin. Honest.
Bad^: truegent.. your thoughts?
nytechild: *weary smile* tis hard to know that befroe he saw that pic
we had a great relationship... really believed he loved me for me and
not for the outside....
TrueGent: I agree with you Bad
TrueGent: if looks are all you are after go buy a penthouse
TrueGent: or some such
Bad^: I am not sure he loved himself and if that is the case he is
not yet capable of nurturing another. Again.. not your failure.
nytechild: tis what I told him basically
TrueGent: people are people, and as such have many aspects
TrueGent: all these need to be respected
nytechild: this one said well iffen ya can't except me for what is
inside then you can;t except me... tho it hurt like hell after bing
with this Dom for 8 months
TrueGent: ppl like that leave a bad taste in my mouth
nytechild: :(
Bad^: nyte you have a fire that burns. You have needs.. but you cannot
ever again let them drive you without being sure you will be nurtured
too. My friend moces on but I will always be here should she need me.
See> You have learned a very important lesson here and thank god
it was only 8 mos and not years.
Bad^: Though I know it still hurts.
Bad^: In scrolling back I see a lot of value in what we are discussing
both with truegent and your own experience. I would like permission
t o share our words on the channel page.
TrueGent: please do
Bad^: nyte?
nytechild: yes please do
Bad^: truegent. change your nick to lower case please.
*** TrueGent is now known as truegent
Bad^: you are a submissive for sure <wink>
nytechild: See Sir I was being nurtured this Dom was very loving....
gave him my whole heart and self.... really thought I knew him....
Bad^: Do you beleive others can nurture you and care deeply for you?
nytechild: to be honest I have closed my heart and a wall of stone
is around me....
Bad^: There is a poem on the Creative pages of Whipping Post called
sensitives.. read it. Now.
nytechild: this one has done some writing, shows the love I had for
this Dom....
Bad^: how long have you been apart?
nytechild: just two weeks not much more than that
truegent: still fresh then :(
Bad^: I have a theory about the old saying: time heals all wounds.
nytechild: just last week he talked about us getting back together.....
nytechild: today he said there was no hope... tho he still wnats me
but he can't be my Dom
Bad^: His inability to be honest in himslef becomes a cruel game for
your heart strings.
nytechild: :~~~
Bad^: Do you beleive time heals all wounds?
nytechild: yes Sir tis all I need is time.... and lots of hugs
nytechild: just read the sensitive reading twas lovely :)
Bad^: Do you know why time heals all wounds. in severasl serious hurts
in my life I pondered this....
Bad^: It is NEW experience that is the key ingredent
nytechild: in time Sir our hearts push throught the hurt and learn
to love again and see things bloom to great things
Bad^: I don't purport to provide this.. but I realised.... I wouldn't
go to the old eatery where she and I used to go... it made me sad.....
nytechild: Bad would you mind me posting a poem here? twas one that
described my feelings
Bad^: It wasn't until I went to that restarrant with some friends one
night that I stopped being so blue about it being "Sigh" our
place.
Bad^: PLease share it.
truegent is interested
Bad^: It isn't Time.. it is new experience that makes Time heal all
wounds. Walls only hold back the healing... see?
nytechild: Love is much more than a tender caress,
nytechild: more than bright hours of happiness,
nytechild: For a lasting Love is made up of sharing
nytechild: both hours that are joyous and desparing.
nytechild: It,s made up of patience and deep understanding,
nytechild: never of selfish or stubborn demanding.
nytechild: It,s made up of "Climbing the steep hills together
nytechild: and facing with Courage "Lifes stormiest weather
nytechild: Nothing on earth or in heaven can part a love
nytechild: that has grown to be part of the heart.
nytechild: Just like the sun and the stars, and the sea,
nytechild: This love will go on through Eternity
nytechild: For "True Love lives on when earthly
nytechild: things die, for it,s part of the Spirit that
nytechild: Soars to the sky!
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truegent tips his hat
Bad^: Wonderful......I want you to realise something nyte..
Bad^: it is part of the spirit that lives in YOU> YOU felt this
and are capable of feeling this. You can find it again. No one buys
tickets to a flat rollorcoaster.
nytechild: always hills and Mountains to climb...
Bad^: Yes but the real secret... <Bad leans in real close to nyte>........
Bad^: (whipering) It is the journey.. NOT the destination.
nytechild: listens
nytechild: so True!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad^: Savor your pain as much as your passion. They are the Ying andYang
of your very existance. You cannot travel if you are busy building walls.
nytechild: this one takes a sledge hammer and knocks down the walls
around her heart....
Bad^: Good girl
Bad^: Fell the pain and th glory. Write the feelings hold others here
when they hurt and cry as they cry.
nytechild: this one has no problems with tears... Sir
Bad^: You belong here with us nyte. I am glad you found this place.
Youwill find lil^pet to be most caring and supportive. and While there
are not many Doms here it is because I am flitering them carefully for
warmth and humor.
nytechild: Two Souls
nytechild: For the person with the gift to see into my heart
nytechild: who see's the world in a view just as I.
nytechild: I look into your heart and melt at the visions
nytechild: so beautiful I begin to cry.
nytechild: Two souls close together
nytechild: Two souls worlds apart
nytechild: yet in harmony so that they do click.
nytechild: luv you now and forever
nytechild: and then
nytechild: one more day
nytechild: please let me luv you forever.
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This thread continues in a lesson granted
to nytechild a week later called Self
Esteem.
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